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Pup Aid offered more than just a dog show. Attendees enjoyed food, trade stalls, and live music, creating a lively atmosphere. One of the highlights was the midday parade, showcasing rescued ex-breeding dogs from puppy farms and mills. | Pup Aid offered more than just a dog show. Attendees enjoyed food, trade stalls, and live music, creating a lively atmosphere. One of the highlights was the midday parade, showcasing rescued ex-breeding dogs from puppy farms and mills. | ||
Overall, Lucy's Law, along with the creation of Pup Aid, sought to expose the dark side of the pet industry and emphasize responsible breeding practices, the importance of observing puppies with their mother, and the value of rescuing animals in need. | Overall, [[Lucy's Law]], along with the creation of Pup Aid, sought to expose the dark side of the pet industry and emphasize responsible breeding practices, the importance of observing puppies with their mother, and the value of rescuing animals in need. | ||
That became the turning point, where the evidence was presented, and it had a profound impact, bringing many to tears. This event served as an eye-opener, raising awareness about the right ways to obtain a dog. The primary focus was on rescue as the first option, which people often overlook, including puppies. However, if someone chooses to get a puppy, it is essential to witness their interaction with their mother. This concept marked the beginning of a few years of celebrity-judged dog shows, where influential figures like Ricky Gervais and Brian May participated. Initially held in Brighton, the show was later moved to London to ensure greater accessibility for celebrities. | That became the turning point, where the evidence was presented, and it had a profound impact, bringing many to tears. This event served as an eye-opener, raising awareness about the right ways to obtain a dog. The primary focus was on rescue as the first option, which people often overlook, including puppies. However, if someone chooses to get a puppy, it is essential to witness their interaction with their mother. This concept marked the beginning of a few years of celebrity-judged dog shows, where influential figures like Ricky Gervais and Brian May participated. Initially held in Brighton, the show was later moved to London to ensure greater accessibility for celebrities. | ||
[[File:Lucy dog.jpeg|alt=Lucy the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. The dog that started Marc's campaign for Lucy's Law|thumb|Lucy the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. The dog that started Marc's campaign for Lucy's Law]] | [[File:Lucy dog.jpeg|alt=Lucy the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. The dog that started Marc's campaign for Lucy's Law|thumb|Lucy the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. The dog that started Marc's campaign for [[Lucy's Law]]]] | ||
This journey led me to Westminster and Parliament, where I familiarized myself with parliamentary campaigning, e-petitions, debates, and meeting MPs. These tools were entirely new to me. Almost a decade after witnessing those first puppies succumb to parvovirus from puppy mills, we managed to change the law. It is now illegal to purchase a puppy or a kitten without witnessing their interaction with their mother at the place of birth. This measure ensures accountability. Despite some initial resistance, such as concerns about fake mothers or no mothers, the focus remains on holding sellers and breeders accountable. If any issues arise, the seller who provided the puppy becomes responsible. This law represents the first step in combating cruelty, as the visibility of mothers is crucial. | This journey led me to Westminster and Parliament, where I familiarized myself with parliamentary campaigning, e-petitions, debates, and meeting MPs. These tools were entirely new to me. Almost a decade after witnessing those first puppies succumb to parvovirus from puppy mills, we managed to change the law. It is now illegal to purchase a puppy or a kitten without witnessing their interaction with their mother at the place of birth. This measure ensures accountability. Despite some initial resistance, such as concerns about fake mothers or no mothers, the focus remains on holding sellers and breeders accountable. If any issues arise, the seller who provided the puppy becomes responsible. This law represents the first step in combating cruelty, as the visibility of mothers is crucial. | ||
Puppy farms, mills, or factories thrive because the mother is never seen since puppies are sold remotely. If potential buyers were able to see the mother, they would likely choose not to buy from such establishments due to the deplorable conditions. Therefore, this step was crucial. The law is named after Lucy, an incredible and amusing Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I have her official rosette here as a memento. Lucy was rescued from a puppy farm and suffered from numerous health issues, including separation anxiety, arthritis, and epilepsy, commonly found in puppies from such establishments. Despite her challenges, she lived for another three years, during which her guardian and best friend, Lisa, rehabilitated her. They created calendars, raised awareness on Facebook about puppy farming and rescue, and Lucy became the face of the campaign against puppy farming. | Puppy farms, mills, or factories thrive because the mother is never seen since puppies are sold remotely. If potential buyers were able to see the mother, they would likely choose not to buy from such establishments due to the deplorable conditions. Therefore, this step was crucial. The law is named after Lucy, an incredible and amusing Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I have her official rosette here as a memento. Lucy was rescued from a puppy farm and suffered from numerous health issues, including separation anxiety, arthritis, and epilepsy, commonly found in puppies from such establishments. Despite her challenges, she lived for another three years, during which her guardian and best friend, Lisa, rehabilitated her. They created calendars, raised awareness on Facebook about puppy farming and rescue, and Lucy became the face of the campaign against puppy farming. | ||
Unfortunately, Lucy passed away on December 8, 2016, during a peak period of campaigning. We faced numerous obstacles from the government, the pet industry, and even some of the largest animal welfare organizations in the country. To revitalize the campaign, we underwent a rebranding, renaming it "Lucy's Law" to ban commercial third-party puppy and kitten dealers and sellers. Lucy's charming backstory and her adorable face helped personalize the campaign, and overnight it gained tremendous momentum. Ricky Gervais continued his support, and we received a significant boost by partnering with the Daily Mirror, a renowned UK newspaper. We launched another petition and employed various strategies to achieve our goal. Ultimately, we succeeded in overcoming the resistance from the government, the pet industry, and major charities that initially tried to block our progress, albeit diplomatically referred to as "using supporters." We achieved accountability through Lucy's Law. | Unfortunately, Lucy passed away on December 8, 2016, during a peak period of campaigning. We faced numerous obstacles from the government, the pet industry, and even some of the largest animal welfare organizations in the country. To revitalize the campaign, we underwent a rebranding, renaming it "[[Lucy's Law]]" to ban commercial third-party puppy and kitten dealers and sellers. Lucy's charming backstory and her adorable face helped personalize the campaign, and overnight it gained tremendous momentum. Ricky Gervais continued his support, and we received a significant boost by partnering with the Daily Mirror, a renowned UK newspaper. We launched another petition and employed various strategies to achieve our goal. Ultimately, we succeeded in overcoming the resistance from the government, the pet industry, and major charities that initially tried to block our progress, albeit diplomatically referred to as "using supporters." We achieved accountability through [[Lucy's Law]]. | ||
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Marc: Absolutely, imposter syndrome is something that I never even knew existed, but it's a real phenomenon. Sitting in Westminster and Parliament, I was a full-time veterinarian at the time, with only one day off every Tuesday. Yet, I made it a regular practice to visit Westminster every Tuesday for years. I engaged in lobbying efforts, attended receptions, and immersed myself in the culture of parliamentary campaigning. It was a significant commitment, considering the hour-long journey from Brighton, where I live. Over the span of six years, I must have made that trip around 300 times. | Marc: Absolutely, imposter syndrome is something that I never even knew existed, but it's a real phenomenon. Sitting in Westminster and Parliament, I was a full-time veterinarian at the time, with only one day off every Tuesday. Yet, I made it a regular practice to visit Westminster every Tuesday for years. I engaged in lobbying efforts, attended receptions, and immersed myself in the culture of parliamentary campaigning. It was a significant commitment, considering the hour-long journey from Brighton, where I live. Over the span of six years, I must have made that trip around 300 times. | ||
I dedicated myself to learning the intricacies of parliamentary processes and successfully campaigned for the passage of Lucy's Law in England, Scotland, Wales, and almost Northern Ireland. The journey didn't end there. When Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie were looking for a dog, I had the opportunity to assist them in finding a rescue puppy. The dog came from Friends of Animals Wales, a rescue organization specializing in puppies with issues or ex-breeding dogs facing dire circumstances. I had a conversation with Carrie, who needed little persuasion as she is a strong advocate for rescue dogs. They ended up adopting Dylan, a Jack Russell cross, and he resided at Number 10 Downing Street, or technically, Number 11 next door. | I dedicated myself to learning the intricacies of parliamentary processes and successfully campaigned for the passage of [[Lucy's Law]] in England, Scotland, Wales, and almost Northern Ireland. The journey didn't end there. When Boris Johnson and his wife Carrie were looking for a dog, I had the opportunity to assist them in finding a rescue puppy. The dog came from Friends of Animals Wales, a rescue organization specializing in puppies with issues or ex-breeding dogs facing dire circumstances. I had a conversation with Carrie, who needed little persuasion as she is a strong advocate for rescue dogs. They ended up adopting Dylan, a Jack Russell cross, and he resided at Number 10 Downing Street, or technically, Number 11 next door. | ||
Being so deeply involved and integrated into Westminster culture allowed me to personally source a rescue dog for the Prime Minister. We organized the handover, and little Dylan excitedly explored the garden while Boris proudly sported Lucy's Law rosette. It was a truly overwhelming experience to witness the Prime Minister wearing our grassroots campaign symbol adorned with little Lucy's face. | Being so deeply involved and integrated into Westminster culture allowed me to personally source a rescue dog for the Prime Minister. We organized the handover, and little Dylan excitedly explored the garden while Boris proudly sported [[Lucy's Law]] rosette. It was a truly overwhelming experience to witness the Prime Minister wearing our grassroots campaign symbol adorned with little Lucy's face. | ||
'''Billie: Absolutely, I can imagine how impactful it is to see these dogs thriving in new homes and spreading awareness about their resilience. It really emphasizes the importance of education and taking action. Another aspect that came to mind is that passing laws is one thing, but ensuring their enforcement is another challenge altogether. Have you observed effective enforcement of the laws?''' | '''Billie: Absolutely, I can imagine how impactful it is to see these dogs thriving in new homes and spreading awareness about their resilience. It really emphasizes the importance of education and taking action. Another aspect that came to mind is that passing laws is one thing, but ensuring their enforcement is another challenge altogether. Have you observed effective enforcement of the laws?''' | ||
Marc: Yeah, because the public enforces it, it is called policing by consent. What I love seeing on responsible breeder websites is their support for Lucy's Law. They showcase the presence of the mom, enabling people to know what to look for and identify any potential issues. However, as a fellow campaigner, I'm sure you've encountered trolls who claim that there are still sellers operating without the mom. It's important to remember that if every law were immediately followed, we wouldn't need police, speed cameras, or court cases. Now, with a legal framework in place, investigations and prosecutions can occur. People are quick to say, "I told you so," but I would respond by saying that although murder is illegal, it still happens. Maybe we should focus on the right targets. Moreover, just because a law is implemented doesn't mean everyone suddenly starts behaving. Pushback can still arise even after making progress. | Marc: Yeah, because the public enforces it, it is called policing by consent. What I love seeing on responsible breeder websites is their support for [[Lucy's Law]]. They showcase the presence of the mom, enabling people to know what to look for and identify any potential issues. However, as a fellow campaigner, I'm sure you've encountered trolls who claim that there are still sellers operating without the mom. It's important to remember that if every law were immediately followed, we wouldn't need police, speed cameras, or court cases. Now, with a legal framework in place, investigations and prosecutions can occur. People are quick to say, "I told you so," but I would respond by saying that although murder is illegal, it still happens. Maybe we should focus on the right targets. Moreover, just because a law is implemented doesn't mean everyone suddenly starts behaving. Pushback can still arise even after making progress. | ||
'''Billie: It provides a platform and stability for the cause. Those who complain should direct their concerns towards those who are not following the law, rather than criticizing those who have implemented it.''' | '''Billie: It provides a platform and stability for the cause. Those who complain should direct their concerns towards those who are not following the law, rather than criticizing those who have implemented it.''' | ||
Marc: It's unbelievable. The criticisms and backlash I've faced in the past years. Some people genuinely believe that having no laws would be better. But Lucy's Law has made a significant impact by raising awareness and changing behavior. It has banned the sale of puppies and kittens in pet stores. There's still more work to be done, no doubt about that. But holding breeders accountable was always the crucial first step. | Marc: It's unbelievable. The criticisms and backlash I've faced in the past years. Some people genuinely believe that having no laws would be better. But [[Lucy's Law]] has made a significant impact by raising awareness and changing behavior. It has banned the sale of puppies and kittens in pet stores. There's still more work to be done, no doubt about that. But holding breeders accountable was always the crucial first step. | ||
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Marc: Thank you. Writing the book was a necessity for me. After campaigning for 10 years, I accumulated a wealth of knowledge that I wanted to share with others. I learned through firsthand experience, not knowing what I was doing initially but persevering nonetheless. It was crucial for me to put it all on paper so that people could pick it up and take action themselves. The book is titled "Be More Mosquito," inspired by the Dalai Lama's quote: "If you think you're too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito." The hashtag in the title makes it unique, encouraging imaginative and out-of-the-box thinking, which is vital for grassroots campaigning to gain attention. | Marc: Thank you. Writing the book was a necessity for me. After campaigning for 10 years, I accumulated a wealth of knowledge that I wanted to share with others. I learned through firsthand experience, not knowing what I was doing initially but persevering nonetheless. It was crucial for me to put it all on paper so that people could pick it up and take action themselves. The book is titled "Be More Mosquito," inspired by the Dalai Lama's quote: "If you think you're too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito." The hashtag in the title makes it unique, encouraging imaginative and out-of-the-box thinking, which is vital for grassroots campaigning to gain attention. | ||
Each chapter in the book represents a tool that is freely available and accessible to everyone. These tools empower individuals to raise awareness, change public behavior, and influence legislation, as we did with Lucy's | Each chapter in the book represents a tool that is freely available and accessible to everyone. These tools empower individuals to raise awareness, change public behavior, and influence legislation, as we did with [[Lucy's Law]]—achieving all three objectives. It's a book that embodies the belief that anything is possible when there are no excuses. My hope is that it inspires people to care deeply about something and take action. Starting your own campaign, joining an existing one, having conversations, and collaborating with like-minded individuals are all viable paths. The book provides the necessary tools to do something, even if it's as simple as retweeting a message while sitting on the toilet. Instead of indulging in blame culture and pointless moaning, it's important to channel that energy into productive campaigning. You never know where it might lead. I never anticipated that my efforts would result in changing laws, running a parliamentary group for dog welfare, or influencing other legislation. It completely transformed my life. | ||
For instance, I now have the privilege of facilitating other campaigns and running the all-party parliamentary group in Westminster. The group serves as a hub for various initiatives. When challenges arise, such as the energy bill crisis or overwhelming numbers of dogs in shelters during the pandemic, I can take action. Recently, I organized a meeting in Westminster where seven rescue CEOs from across the UK delivered presentations and engaged in discussions. The event will take place on February 21st, and the largest room in Westminster has already reached its capacity of 170 attendees. I simply provide the platform and facilitate these essential conversations. Progress is guaranteed during such gatherings. Additionally, we have an MP drop-in session during the daytime, where MPs come to have their photos taken with dogs and raise awareness for local rescue shelters and animals. It's all part of the ongoing progress because maintaining the conversation is crucial for effective campaigning. | For instance, I now have the privilege of facilitating other campaigns and running the all-party parliamentary group in Westminster. The group serves as a hub for various initiatives. When challenges arise, such as the energy bill crisis or overwhelming numbers of dogs in shelters during the pandemic, I can take action. Recently, I organized a meeting in Westminster where seven rescue CEOs from across the UK delivered presentations and engaged in discussions. The event will take place on February 21st, and the largest room in Westminster has already reached its capacity of 170 attendees. I simply provide the platform and facilitate these essential conversations. Progress is guaranteed during such gatherings. Additionally, we have an MP drop-in session during the daytime, where MPs come to have their photos taken with dogs and raise awareness for local rescue shelters and animals. It's all part of the ongoing progress because maintaining the conversation is crucial for effective campaigning. | ||
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Marc: I was actually approached just before the lockdown happened. There was a company that wanted me to contribute to a show about unethical breeding practices and dog welfare. The show's concept seemed good, but there were a few errors and they had a presenter in mind. So I gave them some feedback, respectfully of course, and suggested that I could present the documentary myself. They agreed and we had a meeting in Brighton where we discussed the details. I would have editorial control and could choose the interviewees. | Marc: I was actually approached just before the lockdown happened. There was a company that wanted me to contribute to a show about unethical breeding practices and dog welfare. The show's concept seemed good, but there were a few errors and they had a presenter in mind. So I gave them some feedback, respectfully of course, and suggested that I could present the documentary myself. They agreed and we had a meeting in Brighton where we discussed the details. I would have editorial control and could choose the interviewees. | ||
Before Christmas, we conducted around 10 to 15 interviews in the UK with parliamentarians, campaigners, and dog welfare experts. Then we traveled to the States, which I just returned from last week. Our main focus was on Victoria's Law, a campaign in Pennsylvania to ban the sale of puppies, kittens, and rabbits in pet stores. It's similar to Lucy's Law and aims to prevent the exploitation of animals from puppy mills. We wanted to shed light on this issue, so we visited different places in the US, including DC, Maryland, and Philadelphia. We interviewed senators, campaigners, a vet, a behaviorist, and John Goodwin, the campaign director for the Humane Society US. | Before Christmas, we conducted around 10 to 15 interviews in the UK with parliamentarians, campaigners, and dog welfare experts. Then we traveled to the States, which I just returned from last week. Our main focus was on Victoria's Law, a campaign in Pennsylvania to ban the sale of puppies, kittens, and rabbits in pet stores. It's similar to [[Lucy's Law]] and aims to prevent the exploitation of animals from puppy mills. We wanted to shed light on this issue, so we visited different places in the US, including DC, Maryland, and Philadelphia. We interviewed senators, campaigners, a vet, a behaviorist, and John Goodwin, the campaign director for the Humane Society US. | ||
We also visited Amish puppy mills, which was quite an eye-opening experience. Overall, the documentary will cover topics like canine fertility clinics in the UK, the legal and illegal international trade of puppies, and Victoria's Law. It addresses multiple issues that require change. Additionally, we provide valuable campaigning tips, including how to approach legislators and the importance of maintaining a compassionate and respectful dialogue to engage people. | We also visited Amish puppy mills, which was quite an eye-opening experience. Overall, the documentary will cover topics like canine fertility clinics in the UK, the legal and illegal international trade of puppies, and Victoria's Law. It addresses multiple issues that require change. Additionally, we provide valuable campaigning tips, including how to approach legislators and the importance of maintaining a compassionate and respectful dialogue to engage people. | ||
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'''Billie: Yes, absolutely. I've often expressed it as people tend to join a moving train. It's like what you're saying, not everyone wants to be the one to start the train or get on board when it's stationary. However, once it's in motion, many people are eager to join. The key is to embrace and welcome all those individuals because that's where the momentum lies.''' | '''Billie: Yes, absolutely. I've often expressed it as people tend to join a moving train. It's like what you're saying, not everyone wants to be the one to start the train or get on board when it's stationary. However, once it's in motion, many people are eager to join. The key is to embrace and welcome all those individuals because that's where the momentum lies.''' | ||
Marc: Absolutely, 100 percent. We welcome everyone with open arms, bringing good vibes. Let's rally together and make sure we achieve our goal. It's also mentioned in the book, and I refer to it as the "ambush" strategy. The idea is to gain support from the media, politicians, celebrities, charities, stakeholders, basically everyone. By having all these key players on board, including the decision-makers like the minister who is often swayed by public opinion, we leave them with no alternative. When everyone supports the cause, it becomes difficult for them to say no. That's exactly what happened with Lucy's | Marc: Absolutely, 100 percent. We welcome everyone with open arms, bringing good vibes. Let's rally together and make sure we achieve our goal. It's also mentioned in the book, and I refer to it as the "ambush" strategy. The idea is to gain support from the media, politicians, celebrities, charities, stakeholders, basically everyone. By having all these key players on board, including the decision-makers like the minister who is often swayed by public opinion, we leave them with no alternative. When everyone supports the cause, it becomes difficult for them to say no. That's exactly what happened with [[Lucy's Law]]. We surrounded the chief decision maker with overwhelming positivity, leaving him with no choice but to support us. This is what ultimately led to our success after a 10-year journey. | ||
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In the 2021 Queen's Birthday Honors list, I was chosen to receive the OBE for my services to animal welfare. Due to the Queen's illness, she was unable to present it herself, and there were delays due to the COVID-19 situation. Finally, in March 2022, at Windsor Castle, I attended the ceremony accompanied by my mother, and I was honored to receive the OBE from Prince Charles. At that time, he was Prince Charles, but now he has ascended to become King Charles. It was quite a remarkable combination, with the Queen announcing me on her list and the King awarding me the honor. Interestingly, when you approach His Majesty, you receive a briefing on protocol and are informed that you can initiate the conversation. | In the 2021 Queen's Birthday Honors list, I was chosen to receive the OBE for my services to animal welfare. Due to the Queen's illness, she was unable to present it herself, and there were delays due to the COVID-19 situation. Finally, in March 2022, at Windsor Castle, I attended the ceremony accompanied by my mother, and I was honored to receive the OBE from Prince Charles. At that time, he was Prince Charles, but now he has ascended to become King Charles. It was quite a remarkable combination, with the Queen announcing me on her list and the King awarding me the honor. Interestingly, when you approach His Majesty, you receive a briefing on protocol and are informed that you can initiate the conversation. | ||
So, when I approached the King, he spoke exactly as you hear him on the news. He mentioned how unfortunate it is that after Christmas, puppies are abandoned and end up in rescue centers. With all due respect, I redirected the conversation, expressing my desire to discuss the fact that Lucy's | So, when I approached the King, he spoke exactly as you hear him on the news. He mentioned how unfortunate it is that after Christmas, puppies are abandoned and end up in rescue centers. With all due respect, I redirected the conversation, expressing my desire to discuss the fact that [[Lucy's Law]] was inspired by my grandmother. Back then, Prince Charles had a deep affection, which he still maintains, for the Kindertransport survivors. My grandma had the opportunity to meet him several times at lunches in Windsor Castle and elsewhere. They always had enjoyable banter, as she fearlessly asked him if he used Botox because he always looked so young. They shared this playful dialogue on numerous occasions. | ||
Sadly, my grandmother passed away nearly two years ago, about 18 months prior to receiving the OBE. She wasn't aware of it, but she always hoped I would receive such an honor because she believed in me. With all due respect, I took the opportunity to express to the King how Lucy's | Sadly, my grandmother passed away nearly two years ago, about 18 months prior to receiving the OBE. She wasn't aware of it, but she always hoped I would receive such an honor because she believed in me. With all due respect, I took the opportunity to express to the King how [[Lucy's Law]] was inspired by my grandma, who cherished every encounter with him and eagerly anticipated meeting him. We would always share stories of their banter afterward. It was a heartfelt moment for me to thank the King for bringing happiness to my grandmother's life every time they met. | ||
This encounter meant so much, not only to me but also to my mom, who was able to hear the conversation. It was her mother I was talking about, and she couldn't help but burst into tears. The experience was truly meaningful and fulfilling, and it felt like a sense of closure. After shaking hands, you simply walk away, feeling like you've accomplished your mission of expressing gratitude to him in that setting, with my grandma as my inspiration for receiving the medal. | This encounter meant so much, not only to me but also to my mom, who was able to hear the conversation. It was her mother I was talking about, and she couldn't help but burst into tears. The experience was truly meaningful and fulfilling, and it felt like a sense of closure. After shaking hands, you simply walk away, feeling like you've accomplished your mission of expressing gratitude to him in that setting, with my grandma as my inspiration for receiving the medal. | ||
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'''Billie: It sounds absolutely perfect and truly well-deserved. It's wonderful to see you being recognized for your achievements.''' | '''Billie: It sounds absolutely perfect and truly well-deserved. It's wonderful to see you being recognized for your achievements.''' | ||
Marc: It's truly amazing, and it's important to highlight the power of grassroots campaigning and what can be achieved with minimal resources, including campaign intelligence. The beauty is that anyone can do it, genuinely anyone can make a difference. All you need are some tools to assist you, a positive attitude, and a genuine care for something you want to change. That's the key. We've been able to shine a light on grassroots campaigning, and I had the opportunity to meet the King and present him with a copy of Lucy's Law book. I also left one for the Queen and received a letter back from her lady in waiting. There are so many different levels of campaigning happening, and it's truly remarkable. | Marc: It's truly amazing, and it's important to highlight the power of grassroots campaigning and what can be achieved with minimal resources, including campaign intelligence. The beauty is that anyone can do it, genuinely anyone can make a difference. All you need are some tools to assist you, a positive attitude, and a genuine care for something you want to change. That's the key. We've been able to shine a light on grassroots campaigning, and I had the opportunity to meet the King and present him with a copy of [[Lucy's Law]] book. I also left one for the Queen and received a letter back from her lady in waiting. There are so many different levels of campaigning happening, and it's truly remarkable. | ||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
*[[Dr Marc Abraham]] | *[[Dr Marc Abraham]] | ||